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11-15-2003 11:45

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Hey, I noticed that I keep playing the same game over and over again, and it's probably my favourite:

it's SWOOP, from Ambrosia. It's really so cool. What makes it amazing is the variety of patterns with wich your enemies attack you.

Do you have small (<5MB)games you love?

11-15-2003 13:37

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Sure

A super old game called 'Solex'.
Its my favourite game in the world, but it can't run on OS X :(
It also had a bugged code , which is why I took it up on myself to make
"Solarionne', its un - bugged clone.

Its not the most exciting and complex game - but ive never seen any other game thats anything like it. I think it was smaller that a Megabyte.

11-15-2003 18:10

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Hmm, I'd like to try that, when are you finishing it?

Instead, I just searched google "solex mac game" and it gives one of your posts in the first page...

11-16-2003 03:34

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Hmm... favorite small games...

Apeiron -- Ambrosia
SNOOD -- some individual...

Buddy

01-11-2004 19:43

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Noiz2sa blows my face off every time i play it.

01-11-2004 20:47

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Avara by Ambrosia

01-11-2004 21:53

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I like BubbleX actually.

01-12-2004 14:27

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I turned back to playing ZAngband. I had stopped two years ago because it was so terribly addicting. Man, that game is one of the best in the world... do a fuckin cool graphical version and it'll be the hit of the millennium

01-13-2004 01:47

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Yeah, I agree, ZAngband is one of the most addictive and fun games there is, despite lacking graphics.

As for a cool graphical version that's the hit of the millenium... Doesn't Diablo II more or less fit that description?

01-13-2004 12:04

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I havent played diablo much... yeah, it has something... the weapons... few quests... the town... the spells... but it laks a quite a lot of stuff: many kind of items, the 200 unique monsters, the 30 races, the 20 classes. But most of all it lacks the best part of Z: the irony: you'll never find a monster such as hobbes the tiger that says "I killed calvin and now I kill you! or Robin Hood, the outlaw, that yells "Kevin costner usurped my name" and all these gems. More, sometimes I took mushrooms of Hallucination while fighting to see what happens: The Ancient Astronaut swears at you, The masochist *** you, the THe nothing from the year 5000 gasps at you...

I think these things make Z unique. If I find some time I'll write some stupidities myself (everybody here knows I'm pretty good) and contribute this way to the game. (There is a file that tells what each character says, you don't need to hack the code).
Diablo takes itself too serously. That said, it's sure a good game ;-)

01-14-2004 06:35

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Well, I didn't really necessarily mean that Diablo II is better than ZAngband... I do agree, ZAngband is far more lastable and fun to play than Diablo, but Diablo II still remains a very good (and similar) game.

I'd play ZAngband a lot more, except for some reason the numpad won't respond when playing ZB under OS X. Makes it rather awkward to move around... Using the directional keys for basic directions and then hitting the corresponding number key (7, 9, 1, 3) for diagonals... *shudders*

01-14-2004 12:05

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Hmmm... I'm lucky I still have my imac for os 9 ;-)

ZAngband really is a game for hard core gamers: at a first glance it's a totally unplayable or a stupid joke: no mouse, no buttons to click, simply 40 keyboard controls to learn... to make a simple spell you must press: m-a-a-*-point target with arrow keys- press 5. not realy *friendly*
But once you learn how to manage it...
I also love the thing that when you die you die: keeps you continuously thrilled


But then, of course I'd forget Z if I had Diablo 2 ;-)

Saruman of many colours says: "buy Radical Rebound"

01-14-2004 14:28

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"...m-a-a..."

Proof that I have no life is that I know off by heart that that is magic missile.

"I also love the thing that when you die you die: keeps you continuously thrilled"

I'm ashamed to say that I always force quit before dying...

Downloaded the PPC version of ZAngband... and it runs completely bug-free under Classic, whereas the Carbon version crashed every five seconds, blanked windows every four seconds, and locked out a new keyboard key every three seconds native...

There is a malignant black aura surrounding Mac OS X...

01-14-2004 22:59

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matteo

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great to know some real ZAngband player ;-)
and, yes, maa is magic missile if you use chaos magic, wich is my favourite, but after sorcery: knowing where enemies are, how the map is made, where magic objects are, possibility to teleport to a location at choice and globe of invulnerability are better than the too exspensive direct damage spells.


Oh, you should not cheat... the best part of Z is when your reputedly immortal character of 49-th level that you spent 2 months on dies because the poison breath of Saruman of many colours has penetrated your globe of invulnerability (I thought it was not possible, then I discovered there is 1 chance in 13 ;-( ) and poison is the only resistance you don't have... oh well.

also it's fun to press wrong keys and check what the game says:

"how am I supposed to do that?"
"Somehow, you feel that would never work"
"A malig<somethin> black aura blasts your weapon!"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH"

I didnt know Z did not work on X... strange... they have pretty good coders...

01-15-2004 03:07

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"...if you use chaos magic, wich is my favourite, but after sorcery..."

Egh... I can't stand the "magic selection" in ZAngband. I much prefer good old Angband in that respect, where there is only one line of mage skills. You get a wider variety of magic, and don't have to worry about choosing an area which may lack an important skill.

Oh yeah, and in Angband it's also better because there are no weird buildings. Like casino, where it's possible to bet all your money and win big (I did, then quickly shopped around and bought every type of dragon scale armour, and about 6 potions of improve stat). And you don't have to travel far to get to certain shops, it's all in the town. But, apart from that, ZAngband kicks Angband's ass.

"Oh, you should not cheat..."

Quite right, I nearly forgot the sanity-crushing joy of having your level 36 mage have his scroll of recall and his last ration blasted away by some baby fire dragon, the instant he becomes hungry, before spending a slow, lingering death trying to ascend 29 star cases before he starves. Sometimes, cheating is the only alternative to wiring explosives to your computer.

"I didnt know Z did not work on X... "

Perhaps it's just 10.3 then. I remember a while ago (when I had 10.1) it worked fine. Or maybe it's just a dodgy new version.

01-15-2004 12:30

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Oh, I never played angband, I started with Z. I tried angband a little but it looked inferior (also the graphics/letters! Somehow more blurred). I know in Ang there is closed vanilla town, you say you find much more stuff there than in an usual Z town? that looks nice, I usually spend way too much time in the wilderness trying to find good towns... and wilderness is also extremely dangerous (cannot just run up and down the stairs!).
But then you can choose "vanilla town" in the Z options

By the way I use almost always hobbits as mages/mindcrafters, they learn "how to cook a delicious meal" at level 15, that means they gain ability to create food for some hit points or spell points: I never starve ;-)

A great class in Z are the mindcrafters, you should definetely try them: no need for books (gain fixed spells at fixed levels), great spells that also improve effectiveness with the level.


I never got near winning (that is, without cheating)but I bet your best bet is :...

a sorcery high mage hobbit that (at high level) detects all the level perfectly with spells (all map, all enemies, all objects), can teleport at will, uses the invulnerability spell and does damage through wands (drain life especially, unresistable), that recharges empty wands with the spell "arcane binding".

I got to level 90 in the dungeon and 43 in the character dying only 4 times... but then I realized cheating was stupid (also because now very confident of my invulnerability spell) and turned off the cheat death option
and finally died despite invulnerability... argh... I never take enough care about resistances, while they are simply vital.

01-15-2004 13:03

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I'm an Elf Ranger without fail. Good combo of fighting and magic. With a good intelligence (18+) you get nearly as many spells as a mage, and yet you can still hack your way out of a nasty situation. :)

Yeah, I tried mindcrafter once... too weak... Couldn't kill anything, so I couldn't get above level 1. (Perhaps I should've tried using a bow)

I've got Foraging now with my ranger, so I don't have to worry about starving, but my Angband mage still had several levels to go before learning Satisfy Hunger.

I suppose I should stop cheating... I didn't cheat when playing Angband, but in ZAngband you die much, much easier. Mainly because you seem to run into high-level uniques where you shouldn't. You walk a few paces out of your peaceful, country villiage, and before you know it, your level 2 mage has been eaten by Shelob. In Angband the difficulty increased very gradually. I kinda prefer that. I have to die about 20 times in ZAngband before getting a decent character going (to level 12 or therabouts)

But ZAngband is more fun. The wilderness thing is very good (so long as you've got a character strong enough to survive surprise, ultra-strong uniques). And the "enemy town" thing is cool.

01-15-2004 18:15

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mindrafter is very strong: forget about hacking at people/bows, they are just as mages. The only problem they have at the very very beginning is that their spell, psionic blast, does not affect stupid/ mindless things such as c, i. But just find a kobold and you'll destroy it easily.

Yeah, it's crazy to find completely out of level things that make everything with you: confuse you, hallucinate you, scare you... and finaly kill you... that's why u need spells to detect: vital.

The enemy cities are those thins that appear in red in the map? They are also called "quests?" I think you can destroy them if your charcter gets in all the red squares and it says "you completed your quest". but apart from that what do you get?

01-16-2004 04:24

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Well, that's the problem with mindcrafters: Their psychic attacks is basically all they can do. Which makes them useless against most of the early monsters (like jellies, icky things etc), and even in later levels there will be certain monsters you just can't kill (black puddings, gelatinous cubes, and the like).

In all the enemy towns there's a HUGE cache of items in the middle, usually with at least 1 or 2 rare magic items. Besides which, it's just fun to go on a massive orc/troll killing spree anyway. :)

01-16-2004 11:53

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Later on with mincrafter you get very nice unresistable ball spells.

Do you play with random quests (the ones that you need to win to go down the level) or without?

Sometimes I play without, to go down with the levels very fast.

but then it is also nice to have to destroy specific guys to pass the level (and get the special item) : but then you easily find you must kill 10 archliches, that are maybe 30 levels out of depth... I HATE when they give you such impossible quests.

Or once I had to kill the Destroyer at level 80, and it's a frankly impossible task.

I rarely used hybrid classes: I usually use warriors or mages (more often high mages). I never tried rogue, ranger, paladin, priest...

I tried chaos warrior, they are very nice.

THe crazy thing about Z is that you must have the right ability at the right time otherwise some crazy thing happens: you need to resist elements otherwise you get megadamage; you need to see invisibles otherwise you'll never see what killed you; you need to resist blindness or you may not read spells; you need to resist fear otherwise.... you need to resist confusion otherwise... you need to resist paralisis otherwise... you must have all stats sustained otherwise... you must have hold life otherwise... you need to resist everything otherwise you will die without knowing how...

"Saruman of many colours points at you screaming the word "DIE!" .You die.

01-17-2004 05:25

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No, I wasn't aware there was a quests mode. I might try it.

Yeah, there are a wide variety of spells you have to be prepared for. You have to supplement your weaknesses with potions and scrolls. That's one of the reasons I prefer hybrid characters, actually: They may not be strong in one particular area but they have a wide variety of abilities meaning they are at least somewhat prepared for most of the monsters in the dungeon.

01-17-2004 08:37

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Can't work out where to turn on that quests thing. Where is it, exactly?

01-17-2004 11:18

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in zangband, at least in my version 2.72, but I think also in older, after character generation you are asked to type the number of "random quests" you want to have, that is from 0 to 50, the default is 25.
if you choose x random quests, every 100/x levels they tell you :"be warned:this level is guarded by 10 baby green dragons/ by sauron the sorcerer... (a unique or n monsters): you must kill the unique/all the monsters in order for a down staircase to appear. <the best part is that when you defeated the last monster/the unique, you get a good object.

it's quite fun but frustrating at times





01-17-2004 12:30

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I've got version 2.7.4 (the newest version) and it doesn't ask me that at the start...

01-17-2004 23:40

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Isn't 2.7.4 a developement version? try downloading 2.7.3

01-18-2004 00:39

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Miles

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thangorodrim.net and zangband.org only seem to have mac downloads for 2.7.4.

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