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10-16-2002 00:00

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i remember briefly bringing this up(windows mode), is this planned for any (close at hand) versions of TNT?

nothing extravagant, just a single 'movable modal'

10-17-2002 19:11

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Window mode

We've not started on this one yet and haven't decided which features will make the next version, I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Mark

01-28-2003 07:37

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I really really really want to see Windowed mode soon. LCD's do not scale down well at all. And It's a pain to watch the res change I'm afrait it'll break the screen if I change the res too much.

01-28-2003 17:00

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or at least make it possible to run the game in any res even without the window: simply with black margins around to fill up the space

01-28-2003 17:01

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or at least make it possible to run the game in any res even without the window: simply with black margins around to fill up the space

01-30-2003 02:06

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Yeah, either option would be good.

Whether it's the Windowed mode or the "Virtual Resolution" mode with the black frame. I just hate LCD's crappy scaling scheme.

BTW. How does one post images or URL's in this Forum? Testing..

URL 1
<A HREF="http://www.tntbasic.com">URL 2</A>


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01-30-2003 02:07

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Hmm.. Image Tag works..
http://www.tntbasic.com

01-30-2003 16:50

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windows

I'm afraid my motives for a window differ.
I tend to do as many things as possible with my mac, because frankly its not a gaameConsole and i don't like it when a game turns it into one;
monopolizing system time
resources
Besides no game deserve the right to reserve my full and utter attention, what's the point of all this RAM when some game prevents me from doing other tasks. If i wanted that experience i'd fire up my PS2, because that is its sole purpose. It'd be like a PS2 coming with;
blinders/ eye drops
bit and muzzle
straps/manacles
sedatives

its just not that serious that a game that costs 1/87th the price of the machine its running on should gobble up 100% from an undedicated machine. Especially when its not the next FinalFantasy, D May Cry, Tekken etc.

01-30-2003 19:33

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I don' t agree

Maybe if you' re playing cards or golf, sure not if youre playing a shooter. It' s not a word processor, it's a game! Stick to a thing at a time! Eh, good old days of system 6...

01-31-2003 18:40

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not really

Exacctly it's a game, game's are for entertainment, there's nothing extra entertaining or immersing about not being able to do something else equally or more worth while.
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Have you ever noticed how System 7 is the mileStone for MacOS...
> Yah?
>> ::nods:: yah!
> Ooooh... yah.
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Your counterpoint is fallacy,
"give me the good ol' days... ::looking off into the distance::"
"yeah who needs to use more than one window at a time"
"Yeah you see, when you play golf... and then when y' play cards or-or a shooter...yeah a shooter."

All games are diversions
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American Heritage Dictionary Standard Edition
game n.
1. An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime.
pas•time n.
An activity that occupies one's spare time pleasantly.

don't worry its the electronic version, i don't care that much...and look i switched to it in a split second, hmmm, i wonder why...because its in a window

02-01-2003 16:33

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gonna take it personal man

eLL, you say:
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don't worry its the electronic version, i don't care that much...and look i switched to it in a split second, hmmm, i wonder why...because its in a window
"
I agree, a dictionary or anything you work with is OK in window mode, you need to copy, paste, reed this and that or anything you want.

When I play a game, I' m not working, I decided I' d loose some time to have fun playing. If I like the game, why the hell should I swich application, check other stuff or what so ever? Why can' t I do it after?

I avoid you a long series of rethorical questions, so you don' t loose time and can swich to all the windows you like zooming through the finder, your favourite activity.

02-03-2003 09:39

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eLL, so you mean if they decide to release the next Final Fantasy exclusivly(I know, they wont) for Mac then you wont play it since you can only play it in full screen.

And if no game deserves your full attention, then why are you playing them? When I decide I want to play a game, I usually dont also write an essay at the same time...

04-08-2003 16:31

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frankly it just isn't possible to play a game and do something else at the same time. in any given moment a person can do only one thing.

04-08-2003 19:21

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One Thing At A Time

Really?

Oh man.... I'll never walk, breathe and blink at the same time again....

04-08-2003 20:11

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Actually, Puffin may be right: you can' t really define what is "one thing": perhaps breathing, blinking and walking are just "one thing"?
Programmers loose all their common sense... ;-)

04-08-2003 22:19

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Resurrection

Can't define one thing...one...thing, its not that hard. This is why all 5 of your senses act at the same time instead of sequentially.

If it bears no real life consequence or result then it literally it literally is not important.

"And if no game deserves your full attention, then why are you playing them? When I decide I want to play a game, I usually dont also write an essay at the same time..."

As i said, all games are diversions, which should "pleasantly occupy my spare time" i shouldn't have to sit and wait while it "de monopolizes" my system resources, and i shouldn't have to wait for it to resume...to be blunt it is a digital plaything. There for me when i want it, strewn/cast aside when i don't. Its not so irresistable so consuming or addictive that i shouldn't at my whim be able to disengage.

Ever play a game with horrible music...ever play a game with horrible music that didn't allow you to turn it off without shutting off the sound completely? Was it pleasant...

You as a human being are supposed to be able to concentrate on a number of tasks, sit and analyze the act of eating in front of a TV/during a movie it is a very carefully orchestrated task that is reduced to childsplay over time.

Ever hear of cmd+tab. its the application switch command.

"frankly it just isn't possible to play a game and do something else at the same time. in any given moment a person can do only one thing."

...oh so matter of fact statment, with no basis in reality. Perhaps you have this confused with "2 matters occupying the same space" a true and documented LAW

04-08-2003 23:13

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the question isn't how you define one thing, but how you define you. are you the one making your heartbeat? in any case, if you wanted to play a game and write a paper, for example, you would effectively have to stop playing the game and switch over to writing the paper.

04-08-2003 23:22

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"You as a human being are supposed to be able to concentrate on a number of tasks"

this statement is fallacious by virtue of the definition of concentrate, as it applies in this context. maybe you should consult your dictionary before claiming that i'm confused.

04-08-2003 23:37

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oh, one more!

"sit and analyze the act of eating in front of a TV/during a movie it is a very carefully orchestrated task that is reduced to childsplay over time."

as you say, the very simple act of eating is orchestrated very carefully, but do you understand what your saying? the action of putting the food to your mouth, chewing, and swallowing, are orchestrated, or coordinated, into one action, that you deal with through several layers of abstraction. if you want a really complex example, look at writing. however, your brain is so efficient that it does all the "low level" bitch work without any of *your* awareness, allowing you to deal solely with meaning.

04-09-2003 00:57

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nice ones, puffin.
It' s a matter of ideas: some people play games seriously with all their effort (like me and you), some people play games with sufficiency (like eLL).

04-09-2003 03:06

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yeah, would you walk out of a movie halfway through, or go to the museum with your laptop, or go to a concert with headphones. game design is a new art form like no other before, and it kind of offends me when people don't appreciate them. sure, their just games, but a painting is just a painting, a sculpture a sculpture, a film a film, a song a song. anyway, to each his own.

04-09-2003 10:40

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ok... in any case a window mode is always usefull, at least to avoid switching resolution

04-09-2003 21:52

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Yeah, most games should be played full screen with all your attention to them, but still some games would benefit greatly from a windowed mode. You say as an example that "a song is a song", don't you ever listen to music in the background while doing something else?

04-10-2003 21:52

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Hey guys, don't you realise TNT is a programmation language, an Windows are supported in almost every other languages. TNT is now designed for games, for you can look to the future. Window support would be the first step towards components support: System buttons, checksboxes, text areas, text fields, floating menus, choices, radio buttons, tabbed panes, and all of this!!! ( I know I may be a little too much enthusiatsic ! :) )

12-29-2003 16:28

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Windowed mode (revisited)

I would like a windowed mode simply so I can write the next Bejewelled. <shrugs>

Minesweeper, solitaire, etc - all desktop games. They're called desktop games cos they run on a desktop. I don't want to write Quake 9 - I want to write battleships and to do that well, I'd really need a windowed mode ;-)

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